Nick King wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:  condemnation wrote: Why is it his fault Lost Sirens is not coming out? Hasn't he blocked its release? Isn't that the sticking point which means it hasn't seen the light of day yet? Yes

They should remix "Lost Sirens" and take Hookys bass off. get Tom to record his own basslines, and then stick it out. New Order don't need kind of pointlessly obstructive behaviour.

mark reed wrote:

They should remix "Lost Sirens" and take Hookys bass off. get Tom to record his own basslines, and then stick it out. New Order don't need kind of pointlessly obstructive behaviour.

Thats a pretty good idea, cut out the aggro and all that.


I bet they couldnt be arsed though

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Nick King wrote:  El Jarvo wrote:  condemnation wrote: Why is it his fault Lost Sirens is not coming out? Hasn't he blocked its release? Isn't that the sticking point which means it hasn't seen the light of day yet? Yes

Yes, he pushed to get it released and now he's pushing to block its release!

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-1 wrote:

this post is a sticky? really? and the lost sirens one got bumped down? really? later -1

+1

Having this as a sticky won't make the Hookster reel it in.

Peter (or Jack if you're the one passing these messages onto your Dad) - STOP NEW ORDER BASHING! You left the group, there was no agreement to split. Go to court and get your royalties then just move onto the next phase in life. Write a book about in a few years if you want, but FFS SHUT UP FOR NOW!

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Why is such a poor thread pinned?
It's easy to judge him without knowing the whole story. Both Bernard and Hooky have been doing stupid things, and we still don't even know why they split.

Boring Being wrote:

It's easy to judge him without knowing the whole story. Both Bernard and Hooky have been doing stupid things, and we still don't even know why they split.

Er, well we do know why they split. As Hook stated in one of his recent interviews it was allegedly to do with their song writing partnership irrevocably breaking down:

The final split had been in the offing for a few years before it actually happened ‘The end of the band was about taste- his taste changed and his taste wanted less of me in the sound. He didn’t like the counterpoint of melody, he didn’t want the bass stealing the song. He wanted it like Electronic and that’s the trouble when we got to ‘Sirens Call’- he wanted it like Electronic- normal songs.

Of course, that's just one side - I'm sure there's a lot more to it than just "there's not enough bass in the mix".

I think in hindsight both Bernard and Hooky have said things they now regret. I can see valid points from both sides, but also some very stupid remarks and reasons.

From a personal level having met them both a few times, i've always found Hooky a fantastic person ,and Bernard came across as a bit of a arrogant twat.
So I don't think this is all Hooky's fault

El Jarvo wrote:

condemnation wrote: Why is it his fault Lost Sirens is not coming out? Hasn't he blocked its release? Isn't that the sticking point which means it hasn't seen the light of day yet?

Yes, but's the question, why is it his fault it's not coming out?

Someone needs to come up with a realistic close to the truth answer, then maybe make your judgement on that!

"Jack, tell your Dad this, tell your Dad that" replace Hooky's bass lines, you really think this is as easy as all that?

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As a co-writer of the material it needs his approval before it can be released, he has withdrawn it for reasons of his own, probably as some kind of leverage in the dispute.

Boring Being wrote:

Why is such a poor thread pinned? It's easy to judge him without knowing the whole story. Both Bernard and Hooky have been doing stupid things, and we still don't even know why they split.

Stupid thread indeed

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I dont think this should be a pinned thread either. I agree with a lot of what Brian Hypen said. We need to remember it's about the music. Although I dont agree with most of the guff coming from Hooky in these endless new interviews, I do wonder why everyone has to get so excited.
As soon as I see a thread starting with a link to a new Hooky interview I can guess the rest: "How can he say this?" "He's lost the plot" etc etc. Can we please stop reacting to EVERY interview he gives?
Since the 80's when Hooky (in)famously rebuffed an overly enthusiastic fan who had written to the NO "fan club" (it made Smash Hits magazine, I forget the wording), it's been clear to me that Hooky and the rest havent worried about being anodyne, polite pop stars.
So he's bitter and talks a load of hot air in interviews. Big Deal. The only bit that still interests me in this is his apparent blocking of Lost Sirens. If this thread were about that subject and nothing else then yeah, pin it at the top, as we want to hear the tunes, not the interviews (well I do, and I suspect I'm not alone). The Lost Sirens thread is about the MUSIC, so I don't think -1's comments should be dismissed. Lets just remind Hooky that we want to hear the MUSIC. The rest? Who gives a fuck?

Debaser wrote:

I dont think this should be a pinned thread either. I agree with a lot of what Brian Hypen said. We need to remember it's about the music. Although I dont agree with most of the guff coming from Hooky in these endless new interviews, I do wonder why everyone has to get so excited. As soon as I see a thread starting with a link to a new Hooky interview I can guess the rest: "How can he say this?" "He's lost the plot" etc etc. Can we please stop reacting to EVERY interview he gives? Since the 80's when Hooky (in)famously rebuffed an overly enthusiastic fan who had written to the NO "fan club" (it made Smash Hits magazine, I forget the wording), it's been clear to me that Hooky and the rest havent worried about being anodyne, polite pop stars. So he's bitter and talks a load of hot air in interviews. Big Deal. The only bit that still interests me in this is his apparent blocking of Lost Sirens. If this thread were about that subject and nothing else then yeah, pin it at the top, as we want to hear the tunes, not the interviews (well I do, and I suspect I'm not alone). The Lost Sirens thread is about the MUSIC, so I don't think -1's comments should be dismissed. Lets just remind Hooky that we want to hear the MUSIC. The rest? Who gives a fuck?

err looks like you do

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For what it's worth, I'm quite ok with it being pinned. This is a discussion forum and this topic is something that merits discussion, like whether or not you agree with its premise, that Hooky is being an idiot. Maybe he's just stirring the pot with a giant wooden spoon and does not care if doing so entails being seen as an idiot or drama queen… obviously I would like to hear Lost Sirens, and I wouldn't mind hearing the audio and video footage of Festival of the Tenth Summer that has apparently surfaced recently, however nobody said it would be easy. It's 26 years since the event, I guess a few more won't make any difference

seals wrote:

For what it's worth, I'm quite ok with it being pinned. This is a discussion forum and this topic is something that merits discussion, like whether or not you agree with its premise, that Hooky is being an idiot. Maybe he's just stirring the pot with a giant wooden spoon and does not care if doing so entails being seen as an idiot or drama queen… obviously I would like to hear Lost Sirens, and I wouldn't mind hearing the audio and video footage of Festival of the Tenth Summer that has apparently surfaced recently, however nobody said it would be easy. It's 26 years since the event, I guess a few more won't make any difference

I agree that it's a subject that should be open to discussion, but I can't see the point in it being pinned, it should be allowed to slide away when interest is lost like everything else, I think there are too many pined items, some have not had any posts for a couple of months, and as for the 'new lyrics' being pinned, it's just stupid, no problem posting it, but pinning is wrong.

Debaser wrote:

Can we please stop reacting to EVERY interview he gives?

If only. Trouble is in most of them he's incredibly offensive to people that many of us like, some may consider them heroes. If A.N. Other Pop Star started calling our band "dickheads" and "twats" we'd be equally pissed off. Hooky doesnt get a free pass because he used to be in said band.

Yes, of course, its about the music and the music from their collective past will always be fantastic and better than anybody else but, whether you agree or not, Hooky and Hooky alone is pissing some fans off.

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It's curious cos you've got a few people going "why on earth do you care about what your favourite musicians say in print??" who in turn go on about how pissed off they are a thread has been pinned on an Internet forum.

Erm a little disparity between the two?

FYI I was a little surprised it got pinned too but only mods can do that.

I pinned it, mainly because I'm starting to find the whole thing rather amusing now, some of the opinions on here are making me spill tea on my laptop, and of course some of them have a greater degree of validity and know what they're talking about. Of course it's not worthy of being pinned, and therein lies the whole point. The argument is pathetic, the behaviour of former band members is pathetic, and the overreactions of some people on here is also rather crap.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter, any of it. Whether this thread is pinned or not will have no bearing on the former New Order bass player's perspective. We're kidding ourselves if we think it will. Now if we could find some more evidence of skullduggery, maybe a recording of Bernard not quite synching his vocals on Sirens, then we might be in business!!

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Plus it was saving Jack time, he wouldn't have to scroll through all the threads to find the ones having a pop

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Tim wrote:

I pinned it, mainly because I'm starting to find the whole thing rather amusing now, some of the opinions on here are making me spill tea on my laptop, and of course some of them have a greater degree of validity and know what they're talking about. Of course it's not worthy of being pinned, and therein lies the whole point. The argument is pathetic, the behaviour of former band members is pathetic, and the overreactions of some people on here is also rather crap. At the end of the day it doesn't matter, any of it. Whether this thread is pinned or not will have no bearing on the former New Order bass player's perspective. We're kidding ourselves if we think it will. Now if we could find some more evidence of skullduggery, maybe a recording of Bernard not quite synching his vocals on Sirens, then we might be in business!!

I don't care whether it's pinned or not, but I love discussion, which is what these forums are for. While I won't call anybody names, I think several people on here have a point. I think we have the freedom to talk about this topic.

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Tim wrote:

I pinned it, mainly because I'm starting to find the whole thing rather amusing now, some of the opinions on here are making me spill tea on my laptop, and of course some of them have a greater degree of validity and know what they're talking about. Of course it's not worthy of being pinned, and therein lies the whole point. The argument is pathetic, the behaviour of former band members is pathetic, and the overreactions of some people on here is also rather crap. At the end of the day it doesn't matter, any of it. Whether this thread is pinned or not will have no bearing on the former New Order bass player's perspective. We're kidding ourselves if we think it will. Now if we could find some more evidence of skullduggery, maybe a recording of Bernard not quite synching his vocals on Sirens, then we might be in business!!

I'll hold my hand up and say I've been a cunt and said a few stupid things and caused a bit of agro, but for me Hooky was a massive part of the New Order experience, especially live, I wish he would shut up and sort things out with the others and get back where he belongs, if he can do it by April that would be even better! They can even keep chappers so that he can play the low bass while hooky plays the high bass, why not, they kept phil when Gillian returned!

Jed Stephens wrote:

I'll hold my hand up and say I've been a cunt and said a few stupid things and caused a bit of agro, but for me Hooky was a massive part of the New Order experience, especially live, I wish he would shut up and sort things out with the others and get back where he belongs, if he can do it by April that would be even better! They can even keep chappers so that he can play the low bass while hooky plays the high bass, why not, they kept phil when Gillian returned!

Now come ON - having Hooky back with the gang swinging his chopper WHILST STILL KEEPING CHAPPERS ON SECOND BASS DUTIES TOO???



What da frig do you think this is? Turning Bad New Lieutenant Order into fricking Freebass as well???

Chuffin' heck, you'll be requesting they bring back Mani and Rourkey as well next!

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I don't think that there is the slightest chance that Hook,Gilbert,Morris & Sumner will ever appear on a stage together again but to place the entire blame one of those four people for that fact seems just too simplistic but that seems to be how the majority here see it.

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and we're back to 'normalcy'..

good enough to read again
as a normal thread.

later
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cranelane wrote:

I don't think that there is the slightest chance that Hook,Gilbert,Morris & Sumner will ever appear on a stage together again but to place the entire blame one of those four people for that fact seems just too simplistic but that seems to be how the majority here see it.

Barney made his fair share of sarcastic Hooky comments at the Melbourne show, which didn't go down that well. Majority of the people who were there, are not into the New Order politics.

Bernard, Steve, and Hooky, wrote, played, collaborated on 'Sirens' and made shared decisions. Isn't it only fair that this remains the case regarding 'Lost Sirens', this is normal procedure you know!

Stop blaming Hooky for it not coming out, someone go and ask Barney why it isn't coming out, what are the reasons?

Van Halen hated David Lee Roth and visa versa, they reformed this year after a huge amount of time. It's nothing new in the rock World, who knows. Yoy can never say never, but I doubt they will ever play together on stage again.

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