here´s an interview on the argentinian newspaper Página/12 where Hooky and Steve say they should call it quits after Buenos Aires gig!

www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/suplementos/espectaculos/3-4537-2006-11-20.html

New Order might have said goodbye in en Buenos Aires
“The last live show ever”
Bassist Peter Hook confirmed what -until saturday- his partner Stephen Morris told Página/12 before the Personal Fest show. They say nowadays they look as the "old guys of the neighbourhood”.


by Roque Casciero and Mariano Blejman

“This might be our last concert ever.” Bassist Peter Hook talks and the show he mentions is the one New Order did last saturday night in Buenos Aires closing Personal Fest´s main stage. The interview in which Hook confirmed their split -at least temporary- to Página/12 it was given right before the band´s gig, in one of the comfortable dressing rooms in club Ciudad de Buenos Aires, where the festival took place. But before talking to the bassist it was drummer Stephen Morris who throwed the first stone when we reminded him that in 2007 it would be the 30th anniversary of the band, first as Joy Division and then -after Ian Curtis suicide in March 18th 1980- as main characters of the crossover between dance and new wave New Order. The drummer said they didn´t think about anything special for the anniversary: "We´re not very good in making plans. The good thing about when we started in Factory (their first label, which is shown in the 24Hour Party People movie) was that you didn´t have to plan what you were going to do. You could write a song and say "this could be a good single" and then release it two weeks later. You can´t do that anymore, you have to write and record an album... But the truth is that we´re not good planning anything, so i couldn´t say what are we going to do do next year".

–So, how´s the band´s present?

Stephen Morris: –I really don´t know. This is a strange time to be New Order... It was good a couple of years ago when everyone was saying we were "god-like geniuses" (New Musical Express gave them an award with that name) and the fans recognized the band. In some point now there´re a lot of New Orders around and we´re the old guys of the neighbourhood, so we should stop for a while and let them take our place.

–But the thing is that you´ve been a huge influence first as dark post punk as Joy Division and then in the mix of dance and new wave as New Order

–Yes, yes. I don´t know, it´s good to be remembered, it´s really an honor. And the influence is positive because we´ve been very influenced by Iggy Pop, The Velvet Underground, David Bowie and people like that, besides punk rock, and we don´t sound like them. But the influence goes beyond New Order, there´s like a new "new wave" or something like that. That´s why i´d like to try something different, although is not that easy when you come to certain age. Besides, when you do find something different it´s because you crash into it, not because you plan "hey, i´m going to do something different".

–That sounds like there will be no more New Order

–Uhmmmmmm... I could say there won´t be New Order for a couple of years, but as i said before we´re bad planning things so let´s see what happens.

–Are you going to take another 8 years like between Republic and Get Ready?

–(Laughs) What happened is that we got seven songs left from Waiting for the Siren’s Call (2005) and we didn´t want to make an album that was the rest of another one. Besides, WFTSC wasn´t a successful record for our label to say "yes, yes, yes!" but more like "uhmm, maybe"

–Do you feel like you did your job or something like that?

–No. The trick is not getting attached to what you do because you´ll be repeating the same thing again and again. Sometimes you just have to stop what you´re doing and get ready to learn again instead of becomming a copy machine.

Singer Bernard Sumner declined giving interviews in Buenos Aires, saying that he had a cold that we didn´t notice during the show. But Hook, who apart from walking around his trade mark sound for all the main stage also did a DJ set on the Personal Fest, was as honest as Morris about New Order´s future. “It´s time that we stop and think about what do we want to do”, he said. “It´s wonderful to stop when you have to do it. Sometimes when you´re lucky to have it all you don´t appreciate it as you should. So you need a reminder of how things were when you didn´t have it all. In this moment we do have it all, so maybe it´s time that we lose it, maybe to start feeding again. That´s how i feel.”

–Does that mean that your first show in Buenos Aires might as well be the last time you play live?

Peter Hook: –Yes, it might be our last show ever. It might.

–Or maybe it´s a matter of waiting another 8 years to see you guys together as it happened once?

–Maybe another 17, or 30...

–30 years is exactly your annyversary together next year

–Well, we´ve been 29 years together, i don´t think another year could make any difference really

–But are your personal relationships ok?

–Yes, yes, we still hate each other (laughs). It´s a love-hate thing

–Do you have other plans?

–Yes, i´m full of plans. I´m forming a band with Mani (Gary Mournfield, from Primal Scream and ex Stone Roses) and Andy Rourke (ex The Smiths), that is called Freebass.

–But you´re three bass players...

–Sure, that´s the secret (winks an eye)

–And the three of you will play bass?

–Sure! We´ve already wrote 17 tracks and it´s comming along very well. We hope to finish it soon

–Who sings?

–Neither of us, we have a guy named Richard, from Wighan, England. So far so good because we get along very well with Mani and Andy.

–So Freebass is going to unite the three most important bass players of Manchester´s history.

–The reason why we decided to do it was because everyone laughed at our face when we suggested the idea. So we thought "fuck them! we´re gonna show them...". There aren´t many albums with three singers, right?

–How´s New Order´s involvment in Control, the movie about Ian Curtis, directed by Anton Corbijn?

–I´m pissed about the movie right now because Anton Corbijn seems to be getting too much control, precisely. I would have prefer that he showed more repect for us. That´s what he should do. I don´t know, it´s ok. Anton is too pasionate about the movie but i think he should have a wider view. At the beginning he would say "come everyone to help" but now he closed the doors and sent everyone to piss off.

–So you´re not going to make the movie soundtrack?

–We´re supposed to, but the problem is that he´s telling us what to do. and if we don´t tell him how to direct why is he telling us how to make music? Bernard and Stephen seem to be ok about it but it bothers me a lot.

Edited by: almansoglasnost on 22/11/2006 8:51:54 AM - 8:51:54 AM

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Oh no!!!!! The worst about that is that I think they MEAN IT!!!! No more New Order for another 10 years!!!! Well, thanks to them for the legacy and everything that is about to come

Deleted by: new order on 21/11/2006 11:01:11 AM - 11:01:11 AM

Stupid computer...Grrrr
I missed seeing them at the signing today.... now this interview....bloody computer going mental.....

Sod it I'm going to drown my sorrows

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Right...which bloody bastard jinxed it???

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They'll be back next year, you'll see. Heck, they even had a signing session today, even though there was going to be "no future" after the 18th!

Deleted by: Jed Stephens on 22/11/2006 6:05:31 AM - 6:05:31 AM

Minx wrote:

Right...which bloody bastard jinxed it???

Whoever it was that posted the thread "Are New Order Going To Call It A Day After This Tour". Probably.


*backs nervously towards the door*

I'm sure I read a post on hear on sunday morning saying according to tim, new order are no more, or something like that, but then it dissapeared.

If it's true, I'm gutted, but you never know with them, it could be a piss take lost in translation.

BTW, why isn't this on the main forum? it's big news.

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well, this is not a translation issue, luckily i met new order at buenos aires airport, last sunday, before they took the plane to UK.

I spoke a few words with Peter, and he didn't confirm or deny that will quit, they just have any show in the schedule, not touring, and not recording.

I Put a few pics at my flog http://fotolog.com/eltechieeltechie

Stunned. IF there is to be no more......zilch, nothing, kaput, zero, then I am stunned. At the age of 34, they have been a part of my life since I was 8!!!! I am grateful that I saw them at Wolverhampton last month and can celebrate the fact that I was 6 feet away from the stage - a first for me being so close in all these years. So, if true, I am grateful that in 26 years of loving this band, I finally got to see them fittingly in a way I always dreamed of, but had never been able to realise till last month. WFTSC is a g8 album - my favourite. 'They think it's all over'....I bloody hope not - it makes me feel old!!! Damn, what will fill the void?

Ah.. I think you are all over-reacting a bit.

This interview was conducted at the end of a long gruelling (for them) tour, and as i imagine happens at the end of every tour, Barney said 'never again', probably, as I beleive he has done on numerous occasions.

Hooky has Freebass going on for a while, and I imagine everyone wants to spend Xmas with their families etc, and re-group next year to discuss the possible future.

I imagine that state of malaise will continue until the release of 'Control', the praise for which will probably galvanise them into doing stuff again.

On the flip-side though, if Warner announce they are dropping them (having milked the back catalogue for all its worth), then that will almost certainly be a final nail in the coffin. Perhaps the ball is no longer in NO's court, and if that happened I would've thought its 'game over'.

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

Ah.. I think you are all over-reacting a bit. This interview was conducted at the end of a long gruelling (for them) tour, and as i imagine happens at the end of every tour, Barney said 'never again', probably, as I beleive he has done on numerous occasions. Hooky has Freebass going on for a while, and I imagine everyone wants to spend Xmas with their families etc, and re-group next year to discuss the possible future. I imagine that state of malaise will continue until the release of 'Control', the praise for which will probably galvanise them into doing stuff again. On the flip-side though, if Warner announce they are dropping them (having milked the back catalogue for all its worth), then that will almost certainly be a final nail in the coffin. Perhaps the ball is no longer in NO's court, and if that happened I would've thought its 'game over'.

Pah! There are grandchildren to consider shortly. Frew xmas gigs I would imagine - at the very least!

i can't believe this,norbert told us the rumour from brasil.German Order looking forward for New Order Live in 2007.i dont know??? i hope so.

see ya all in 2007

matthias
(german order)

www.myspace.com/matthewmusique

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i wish they would go indpendent label again, but i guess factory will not be back.

hope this is just a rest and regroup.

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Triszo wrote:

Stunned. IF there is to be no more......zilch, nothing, kaput, zero, then I am stunned. At the age of 34, they have been a part of my life since I was 8!!!! I am grateful that I saw them at Wolverhampton last month and can celebrate the fact that I was 6 feet away from the stage - a first for me being so close in all these years. So, if true, I am grateful that in 26 years of loving this band, I finally got to see them fittingly in a way I always dreamed of, but had never been able to realise till last month. WFTSC is a g8 album - my favourite. 'They think it's all over'....I bloody hope not - it makes me feel old!!! Damn, what will fill the void?

Spooky was going to right a similar post except I am 35.I also went to Wolverhampton and was about 6 feet away from the stage.I first heard N.O at my boarding school and got hooked at the age of 12.I felt mature because most of my friends were in to WHAM
A real shame if the last ever concert was abroad and I don't mean Europe.If it was Europe and I knew it was the last one I would have saved up and gone....Come on lads at least one more in the UK fittingly I think in Manchester if not the Cliffs Pavillion Southend

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love tore me apart anyway....

Triszo wrote:

Stunned. IF there is to be no more......zilch, nothing, kaput, zero, then I am stunned. At the age of 34, they have been a part of my life since I was 8!!!!

Are you sure?.. you got into JD when you was 8?

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If you would do, what I suggest, it wouldnt lead to instant death...

Hooky told that the record label imposed some producers for their last album.
I prefer Get Ready much more.

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Get a taste in my mouth as desperation takes hold!
Then love, love will tear us apart again!

I've posted this reply on Digital Republic because I think that's the proper forum to discuss about a subject which is now about the band itself, not the tour:

So what's happening then? I read a message on the Faclist and just ran here expecting hundreds of comments but all is relatively silent... I've seen the other thread in Ceremony and still I see no comments from those closer to the band, I guess you're trying to check the facts before saying anything?

I don't know how I really feel about this... maybe it would be the right time to quit, before a decline which seems to wait for the band if they decide to carry on.
Would we want to see New Order play afternoon shows at festivals?
I don't know, I don't really know...
I'd just like to go back to 1998 when Bernard told me they were back and would have stayed together after the gig at the Apollo and live everything again (and catch a couple of gigs I've missed too - especially Bournemouth this year!) because I know nothing will ever be like them again in the rest of my life.

I know it looked like they split many other times before, but this time it's different because even Hooky seems to agree, while in 1993 he was totally against the split and in 1998 he told me he was the happiest man in the world...

What I'd really like is if they could do a comeback like Morrissey, who got dropped from Mercury and came back into the Top 10 on Sanctuary which is an indie... but I don't really know if there's time left for something like that...

I just know when last year you asked if we preferred the remaining WFTSC tracks to be released as B sides or wait for the new album I just voted for the B sides because I knew anything could happen which would prevent us from hearing them.
When there was all that hype about the Godlike geniuses / living legends etc. I just feared there would be a comedown, they just got used to that and then it was like "What, no record sales? But we're legends!".

WFTSC was an excellent album anyway so any track we're missing could be a lost treasure, I'd really like to have no regrets about them... the ideal thing would be get out the unreleased tracks, play a short final tour (would like to see them one last time), and then if they really do agree it's goodbye.

BTW have you heard Loto's Cuckoo Plan with Hooky? It's fookin' great!

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I just hope they were taking the micky as usual. a short break may be benifical for them. mind you a short break. Anything more than a year and i'd start to get worried. I'm still hoping that the new album will see the light of day reasonably soon.

I'm not sure I could face dark days like those from 1993 to 1998 or to 2001 again.

I'll try.

This better only be the joke alluded to in the Ceremony forum.

Edited by: NOOLigan on 21/11/2006 9:15:10 PM - 9:15:10 PM

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Oh, so they have internet on computers now!

If thats it so then so be it, nothing lasts forever.

They'll be back, maybe they need time off to concentrate on their side projects

in this time, i think only time at last in my heart and soul New Order gives me peace change in my heart, sorry but i'm emocioned.......

I could go either way here...

I would be sad if they packed it in, as I only got into them during the Get Ready era.

But I also don't want them to turn into a parody of themselves, loose their focus and put out a DM-esque slew of piss-poor albums (Ultra and Exciter, I'm talking to you!)

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Shed Head?

Slightly misleading thread title is it not?

Personally, I'm reading an off the cuff phrase of "it might be our last gig" which, to be fair, is very different from "the band is finished and we'll never tour again" as the thread title suggests

Sounds to me like a weary and speculative comment has been a tad oversensationalised by the muso journalist in question. Of course they're going to sound tired, pissed off and disinterested by the end of a slew of gigs; what band wouldn't? They want to get home to their families and back to some sense of normality for a bit and not think about work.

I reckon they'll take a year or two off but will return with something. I'd really be surprised if it's the complete end of New Order especially after such a string of ace live shows where they seem to be really enjoying it all. They have 7 songs unreleased, a film about Ian Curtis about to appear so there's loads to play for once they've had a chance to have a rest.

As I say, this thread could've been titled better.

Edited by: NotAMod on 22/11/2006 2:09:44 AM - 2:09:44 AM