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Why is the first New Order album titled "Movement"?
Did New Order play in Puerto Rico in 1989?
Do the numbers on the cover of Thieves Likes Us mean anything?
Does the numbers 5-8-6 have any meaning?
How tall are the members of New Order/Joy Division?
In which band was Gillian Gilbert before joining New Order?
In which movies are New Order songs featured?
In which movies are New Order spinoff's songs featured?
On Confusion, what is WRL?
On what name did New Order released the song "Theme (Homage to MGM)" on the album "The Quick Neat Job" ?
Was Vanishing Point ever released as a single?
What are Steve and Gillian's children's names?
What are the band's members nicknames?
What are those lyrics on Don't Do It?
What do the colour codes on PC&L, BM and Confusion stand for?
What do the numbers and letters on the cover of "Brotherhood" mean?
What does 'Get Ready' mean?
What does 3 16 and 5 11 means
What does ICB mean?
What does MTO mean?
What equipment does New Order use?
What film was Ian Curtis watching before he hanged himself?
What happened in 1963?
What is "Best & Marsh" ?
What is "Pumped Full of Drugs" ?
What is Bernard Sumner's real name?
What is said between Perfect Kiss and the beginning of This Time of Night on Low Life?
What is the artwork of Closer and Love Will Tear Us Apart?
What is the Hacienda and Dry 201?
What is the link between Bobbie Gilespie and New Order?
What is the link between Moby and New Order?
What is the link between New Order and Arthur Baker?
What is the link between Oasis and New Order?
What is the link between the Chemical Brothers and New Order?
What is the name of the dog in the Blue Monday 88 video?
What is the name of the painting on PCL sleeve - artist & title?
What is the song The Happy One?
What names has Bernard Sumner gone under?
What record was Ian Curtis listening to when he hanged himself?
What titles did the band rejected to finally name their album "Power, Corruption & Lies" ?
What was the name of Ian Curtis' dog?
Where does the name Joy Division come from?
Where does the name New Order come from?
Which bands did New Order supported in the 1990s?
Which famous movie directors directed some New Order videos?
Which song does Gillian Gilbert sing?
Which songs does Peter Hook sing?
Which vocalists have 'guested' on New Order live appearances?
Who is "The Him"?
Who is on the sleeve of Round & Round?
Who is singing in Fine Time?
Who is the female on the cover of Get Ready/Crystal?
Who is the girl in the Nineteen63 video?
Why does all New Order's releases end with 3?
Why does New Order appear so often in Jonathan Demme's motion pictures?
Why is a song named Touched by the Hand of God?
Why is Bernard Sumner's nickname Barney?
Why is Kim Wilde credited on "The Other Two And You"?
Why is the Factory box set called Palatine?
Did New Order play in Puerto Rico in 1989?
Jonathan Scott: "The San Juan gig at the start of the April leg of the tour did NOT go ahead though the band were there and attempts were made to play - Rob Gretton told me in Miami that the weather conditions were so bad in P.R. that there was little chance of the gig going ahead. "
The gig was planned for April 8th 1989 in San Juan.
Do the numbers on the cover of Thieves Likes Us mean anything?
No - they were taken from a board-game on a painted table in Blair Castle. Peter Saville found the picture from a magazine called Country Life. There is no number seven, and TLU was the 7th single - this was accidental.
Does the numbers 5-8-6 have any meaning?
It's to do with the structure of the song Ecstacy. Five bars followed by eight bars followed by six bars.
How tall are the members of New Order/Joy Division?
Bernard Sumner is about 5'8"
Peter Hook is about 5'8"
Steven Morris is about 5'10"
Gillian Gilbert is about 5'4"
Ian Curtis was 6'3"
(Answers submitted by Allen Jarvis & Tim Jauncey)
In which band was Gillian Gilbert before joining New Order?
Gillian was a member of The Inadequates, an all-girl punk band.
In which movies are New Order songs featured?
Age of Consent (Wayne's World II)
Bizarre Love Triangle (Married to the Mob, Threesome, Splendor)
Blue Monday (The Wedding Singer)
Brutal (The Beach)
Confusion (Blade, Reality Bites)
Elegia (Pretty In Pink, More)
Murder (Empire [TV])
Skullcrusher Salvation)
Shellshock (Pretty In Pink)
Sputnik (Salvation)
Subculture (Disorder)
Temptation (Something Wild, The Other Sister, Trainspotting)
These Days (Basquiat)
Thieves Like Us (Pretty In Pink)
Touched by the Hand of God Salvation)
True Faith (Bright Lights Big City, American Psycho)
World In Motion... (Butterfly Kiss)
New Dawn Fades by Moby (Heat)
Dead Souls by Nine Inch Nails (The Crow)
In A Lonely Place by Bush (The Crow II)
Love Will Tear Us Apart (Donny Darko)
Blue Monday by Orgy (I Still Know What You Did Last Summer)
In which movies are New Order spinoff's songs featured?
Electronic - Disappointed (Cool World)
On Confusion, what is WRL?
WWWRL is the callsign of a New York City radio station.
It was also one of several Wigan Rugby League chants.
On what name did New Order released the song "Theme (Homage to MGM)" on the album "The Quick Neat Job" ?
Be Music
Was Vanishing Point ever released as a single?
Vanishing Point was selected by a public relation firm as the first single off Technique, but the band fired them and decided to release Fine Time instead.
What are Steve and Gillian's children's names?[/innerurl]
Grace and Mathilda
[unclosed-anchor]Nicknames]What are the band's members nicknames?
Bernard Sumner is Barney.
Peter Hook is Hooky.
Stephen Morris is Stevie Dale.
What are those lyrics on Don't Do It?
'Don't put your finger on the button' is an excerpt taken from a small British film made in the late 80's. It was a made-for-tv film a bit like 'Pennies from Heaven' or 'The Singing Detective'. It was not unlike a play made for tv. It was mostly some couples on a canal boat on holiday, you know, the BBC2 style films that are shown every now and then. In one of the scenes the phrase is said a few times - not science fiction I'm afraid, just some geezer with his finger on one of the buttons on the boat.
- Nicholas Heywood
What do the colour codes on PC&L, BM and Confusion stand for?[/innerurl]
Peter Saville designed a colour code for use on several releases circa-83. The decoder is the wheel design on the reverse of the cover to Power, Corruption and Lies. To clear things up a little, the colour wheel describes the meaning of the coloured squares on (not only) Power Corruption & Lies, (but also) Blue Monday and Confusion.
To decode the wheel, use only the outer two rings. You could divide the outer two rings into full colour, various on green, and various on yellow. The inner segments appear to be meaningless. Start with the full colour sections, the first of which will be the green one... This is 'A'. Work your way clockwise naming each colour the next letter. There are exactly 26 segments around the disc. From 'Z' work back into the full colours, the first of which is '1'. This means that the full green segment is either 'A' or '1', and the colour for 'I' is also that for '9'.
You should be able to decode the squares now. Start with the 5 on the front of Power Corruption & Lies, and you will find (if you have the vinyl) that the first 4 squares spell 'FACT' then next square is divided into two, with the lower half being '7' and the upper half being '5'. Therefore the code is 'FACT 75' which is the Factory number for this release. The code for the CD front cover is 'FACD 75'.
Other codes for the various items having the coloured squares are:
Inner cover PC&L: Power Corruption And Lies New Order
Blue Monday 12" Sleeve: FAC 73 Blue Monday And The Beach New Order
Confusion Outer Sleeve: FAC 93
What do the numbers and letters on the cover of "Brotherhood" mean?
The cover represents a bar of zinc and its serial number.
What does 'Get Ready' mean?
Peter Hook: "The title of the album is 'Get Ready' so it could mean anything or nothing. I thought it was just nice, New Order, 'Get Ready', 'cos we are, we're getting ready for the next phase of our musical lives both physically and mentally so it's quite a simple thing but it's very pertinent."
What does 3 16 and 5 11 means
It simply means 3 Joy Division tracks and 16 New Order tracks, and the same for 5 11.
What does ICB mean?
Ian Curtis Burried
What does MTO mean?
Much Too Old. Compared to Much Too Young from Fine Time.
What equipment does New Order use?
New Order used an Oberheim DMX and a pair of Voyetra 8-voice rack-mount
synths on Power, Corruption, and Lies, and on Low-life. Their hit single
"Blue Monday" was programmed on a DMX.
- Michael 'RS422' Ashton
moog source (aka bassline of newOrder's blue monday)
- bwilks@ukelele.gcr.com
they have a couple of Voyetra 8's in the rack. [in the perfect kiss video]
- Tom M Moravansky
Gillian Gilbert and Stephen Morris of New Order also used the Voyetra-8 on
several side projects with Stanton Miranda a.k.a. Thick Pigeon, very
distinctive, the New Order "sound" (circa 1983/84) sticks out like a big
beautiful sore thumb.
- M. Christopher Jones (mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
Regarding the Voyetras - They were very into them. They used a QX1 to
sequence. The Bass in Blue Monday.... Moog Source - Drums Oberheim DMX.
They also relied heavily on the Prophet 5, and Emulators of all kinds.
I would guess that for the Voyetras, they might have used Voyetra's master
keyboard... as seen in the Reflex Politics of Dancing video - long, white and
very very narrow.
- Jim Reay (jamesr4812@aol.com)
From Future Music, Issue 16, February 1994
Q: What equipment was used to put together New Order's mega-selling
release of 1983, _Blue Monday_?
Stephen: That was a Moog Source and a bit of Prophet.
Gillian: We tried to update it when we did the '88 version but the
new equipment couldn't improve on it.
Stephen: I think a lot of it was down to the nice little accidents, like
the knob-twiddling and Gillian starting the sequencer off in the
wrong place. None of those things really happen any more. Like
when you're editing a synth now, you've got to know exactly what
you want and how to do it. If you want to make it wobble a bit
more you've got to know which parameters to tweak.
Gillian: You never knew why things wobbled then, but now you've got to
find out why and go into it more.
From Future Music, Issue 16, February 1994
(some random gear-related comments from the interview)
Stephen: As New Order, the first thing we had was a home-made Transcendent
2000 and a Transcendent sequencer on which we managed to triple
the memory by piggy-backing some RAM. That was 1979, before MIDI
was invented. The first drum machine we had was a Boss Dr. Rhythm.
It was all plugging little mini jacks into mini jacks. It was all
CV and gate.
When I eventually got a drum synthesizer and it made that 'boo boo'
noise, you can imagine my disappointment. ... With Joy Division,
there's a sound on _Atrocity Exhibition_ that sounds like feedback
guitar with a pig being slaughtered in the background -- that's
this tiny little drum synthesizer put through a fuzz pedal.
We also got the Oberheim DMX and the Prophet V.
Gillian: We'd have this huge sheet of paper and every little tick on it
was a clock step. But when we loaded tapes and the data wasn't
there, we just wouldn't believe it.
Stephen: Playing live was a big problem. ... You'd turn it on, and more often
than not, you'd just get rubbish out of it.
Our solution to this was to buy two or three of everything. In the
case of the prophets, we ended up at one particular gig with five
and we could only get one of those to work.
Gillian: The Prophets were already unreliable, so when the sequencers started
getting that way as well, everything got wiped. The Prophet was
wonky and playing out of tune and the sequencer wouldn't play back
anything at all.
Stephen: We started with the Emulator Is -- the IIs and the Emulator III are
still in there. The only way you could get those things working half
the time was by whacking them with an iron bar.
> I know that New Order used a [ARP] Quadra on most of their early
> records (after upgrading from an Omni during their Joy Division days) Since
> early New Order is brilliant I figure that this synth must be a Gem.
-- Jonathon Disegi
From tekpagan@io.orgSun Feb 12 14:21:04 1995
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:39:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Antony Balcerzak
To: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: RE: Which leads to another question...
On Fri, 10 Feb 1995, Peter Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I recall seeing an interview with them in MUSIC TECHNOLOGY and it went
> into a lot of depth. I remember it was late '80's (could have been '85
> though). Actually had the magazine until recently ....
> -Peter
> ----------
> >>>From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.mtsac.edu>
> >>>
> >>>I never see write-ups of New Order's equipment anywhere, which seems rather
> >>>strange to me considering they're certainly not strangers to the synth
> >>>world.
> >>>
> >>>Actually, does anyone know what kind of equipment they were using say,
> >>>around 1985...as compared to what they have now?
Here is the equipment listed in an interview with New Order in the March
1985 issue of Electronics & Music Maker.
Seq Circuits Pro One,
Powertran Transcendent 2000 w/ Powertran 1024 Seq,
ARP Omni,
ARP 2600 w/ ARP Seq,
Simmons SDS2,
ARP Quadra,
Moog Source,
Boss Dr Rhythm,
Prophet 5 w/ Seq Circuits PolySequencer,
Oberheim DMX,
Emu Emulator,
Octave Plateau Voyetra.
What film was Ian Curtis watching before he hanged himself?
Werner Herzog's Stroszek
What happened in 1963?
1963 is the year John F. Kennedy was murdered. The song is about a theory that the shot was directed to Mrs. Kennedy so JFK can live with Marilyn Monroe.
What is "Best & Marsh" ?
'Best & Marsh' was a football programme on Granada TV, hosted by Tony Wilson. It used to appear on a Sunday night about 11pm in the late 80s if memory serves. The show was centred around the memories & views of 2 ex-pros from the 60s/70s Rodney Marsh & George Best who played together at Fulham in the twilight of their careers.
Both still appear on UK TV providing controversial views on UK football & also made a living in the States at one time -
Rodney Marsh's soccer school in Florida, while Best played for the LA Aztecs for a period in the early 80s.
What is "Pumped Full of Drugs" ?
It's the original name of "This Time of Night"
What is Bernard Sumner's real name?
Bernard Dicken. Sumner is his mother's maiden name. Sometimes he's credited as Bernad Albrecht, because it was the manufacturer of a copying machine he used when he worked at Cosgrove Hall Animation!
What is said between Perfect Kiss and the beginning of This Time of Night on Low Life?
By turning your volume up, you should hear:
"I'm one of the few people who lives what's called a low life"
- Jeffrey Bernard, columnist for the UK magazine The Spectator.
Jeffrey Bernard sued New Order and the sample was removed, but as you see, not entirely.
What is the artwork of Closer and Love Will Tear Us Apart?
It´s a Pierre-Bernard Wolf picture of an italian tombstone.
Sculptures from D.Paernio and O.Toso at Staglieno Cemetery in Genova, Italy.
What is the Hacienda and Dry 201?
The Hacienda is a nightclub in Manchester (11-13 Whitworth Street West) that was set up with funds by Factory Records and New Order. The Factory number for the night-club is FAC 51 (The complete name for the club is FAC 51 THE HACIENDA). The Hacienda was set up originally to be like the old club The Factory where local bands would play live gigs. However, for the first 7-8 years, the club was not that successful. When the club was in financial problems, the band would either put money in, or play concerts there. By 1988, the club became successful with DJs like Greame Park and Mike Pickering (now part of M-People) spinning the latest acid house records. The club soon became "the popular club in Britain". The club had to temporarily close in 1990 due to gangland violence (a bouncer was shot there) but reopened a few months later. The popularity of the club has decreased a bit, although some of it's specialist nights (notably the gay night "Flesh") are still very successful. New Order are still on the board of directors for the Hacienda, although they have said that they wish they weren't.
Dry 201 (Oldham Street) is a bar that New Order and Factory purchased. The Factory number for it is FAC 201. Dry 201 was considered to be the "trendy" bar in Manchester, with it once being described as "THE place to go before going to the Hacienda".
It is unlikely that you would see New Order regularly at either Dry or the Hacienda, although if they are found anywhere enjoying the night-life, then it is likely that they will be at one of these places.
What is the link between Bobbie Gilespie and New Order?
Bobby Gilespie is a New Order fan.
- He dit the backing vocals on Paradise in the Peel Sessions of 1998.
- He did the guest vocals on Rock The Shack.
What is the link between Moby and New Order?
Moby is a New Order fan.
- He covered New Dawn Fades from Joy Division (Heat Movie Soundtrack)
- He invited New Order to play in his Area: One Festival (2001)
- He played New Dawn Fades with New Order in the final show of Area:One
- He remixed the song "Moving On" from the Other Two And You album.
What is the link between New Order and Arthur Baker?
Arthur Baker is an american producer that worked with New Order on several songs.
Confusion
Thieves Like Us
Let's Go (Nothing For Me)
Behind Closed Doors
Touched by the Hand of God
He also was the first act of New Order in several concers of the Get Ready tour as a DJ.
What is the link between Oasis and New Order?
Except being both from Manchester, on April 20th 1992, Oasis was the support for Revenge (Peter Hook's side project) at the Hippodrome Middleton, Oldham, UK.
There is also the fact that Bernard Sumner and Noel Galagher both sing on the Chemical Brothers' Surrender album.
What is the link between the Chemical Brothers and New Order?
The Chemical Brothers are New Order fans.
- Bernard Sumner guest vocals on Out of Control.
- The Chemical Brothers produced the song Here To Stay.
- They also share the same road crew
What is the name of the dog in the Blue Monday 88 video?
Fay
What is the name of the painting on PCL sleeve - artist & title?
"Roses" by french painter Fantin-Latour.
What is the song The Happy One?
The song was originally recorded during the sessions in Ibiza for Technique. Although Tony Wilson and Rob Gretton, liked the song, the band didn't like it, so it was never put on Technique, although it appears in segments on the Substance video. However, after Technique was released, Peter Hook appeared on a late night TV programme called The Other Side Of Midnight (presented and produced by Tony Wilson), and played this song with a large number of sequencers and computers (the rest of band couldn't be bothered to turn up). This is the only public performance of the song The Happy One and has appeared on a number of bootleg records. Some bootlegs are rumoured to exist with the studio verson of the song, that contains lyrics.
The Happy One was also used for about a year on the BBC1 radio show under the same name with John Peel.
Also, a Factory promo CD (FAC 303) made as a promo for the French release of Palatine, titled Palatine Lane, included several Intermede Musical tracks which were excerpts from The Happy One.
What names has Bernard Sumner gone under?
Bernard was born Bernard Dicken, but has used several surnames. Here is a list of names he has appeared under:
Bernard Dicken
Bernard Sumner
Bernard Albrecht
Bernard never knew who his father was, so he grew up with his mother and grandparents in Salford. He originally used his mothers surname Sumner, but when she married, he changed it with her to Dicken. Later on, he changed it to Albrecht, and then changed it back to Sumner. When asked about the name changes, Bernard has said that it's "A story in itself. I don't talk about stuff that is private to me." (Select 9/93). Bernard is known by the rest of the band as Barney.
The name Barney Rubble has been mentioned on bootleg material, so it is likely that the bootleggers did not know Bernard's surname, or it's a pisstake...
What record was Ian Curtis listening to when he hanged himself?
Iggy Pop's The Idiot
What titles did the band rejected to finally name their album "Power, Corruption & Lies" ?
- How Does It Feel?
- Piss Off You Shitheads
What was the name of Ian Curtis' dog?
Candy
Where does the name Joy Division come from?
They chose Joy Division, the name coming from a lurid novel of sado-masochism in German concentration camps entitled The House of Dolls. The book also contributed a (somewhat censored) verse for the song "No Love Lost". The "joy divisions" were those which housed prostitutes and women kept alive for the pleasure of the officers of the camps. The irony, if not the political implication, was obvious.
Where does the name New Order come from?
...the band's official story is that Rob Gretton had spotted a news article in the daily paper which spoke of the "The people's New Order of Kampuchea", taken from from a piece in the UK paper, The Guardian (according to Select 9/93), and the phrase "new order" caught his attention. The reality may be a mixture of this and the following (from NME, 28 Feb 81). The name New Order, which was obviously appropriate considering the circumstances, had been used before. As was pointed out earlier, the band were great Iggy Pop and the Stooges fans, and after guitarist Ron Asheton left the group he formed, in Los Angeles in 1975, a band called The New Order whose 1977 album sleeve contained a lot of Nazi paraphernalia. It is unlikely to the point of improbability that Joy Division were unaware of both the group and their album.
Though other names were put forth as possibilities (many as jokes: "Stevie and the JDs" [Morris was handling much of the vocals on the demo work - mike], "Sunshine Valley Dance Band", "The Eternal", etc.), the band kept returning to New Order. They realised that they would immediately be taken to task again as "Nazis", but decided that they liked the name and that was the only consideration...
The Sunshine Valley Dance Band was a band that Steve used to be in before he joined Joy Division. It was basically him and a few school friends. I doubt the name was used as a replacement for Joy Division.
Which bands did New Order supported in the 1990s?
Garbage (Reading Festival 1998)
Hothouse Flowers (Dublin, but were headlining)
Robert Plant (Montreaux Jazz Festival 1993)
Which famous movie directors directed some New Order videos?
The video of Touched by the Hand of God has been directed by Kathryn Bigelow who did the movies Point Break, Strange Days and K-19 The Widowmaker.
The Perfect Kiss was directed by Jonathan Demme, who also directed the Silence of the Lambs and Philadelphia.
True Faith was directed by Philippe Decoufflé who is a real "artiste". More to come.
Which song does Gillian Gilbert sing?
Avalanche, obviously not so much lyrics. Many people reports she's doing the backup vocals on Someone Like You and True Faith, there is no confirmation about that.
Which songs does Peter Hook sing?
Dreams Never End
Doubts Even Here
Which vocalists have 'guested' on New Order live appearances?
Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins) on Turn My Way
Bobby Gillespie (Primal Scream) on Rock The Shack
Moby on New Dawn Fades
Ian McCulloch (Echo & The Bunnymen) on Ceremony
Bez (Happy Mondays) on Fine Time
Keith Allen (Actor) on World In Motion
Ana Matronic (Scissor Sisters) on Jetstream
Who is "The Him"?
Ian Curtis
Who is on the sleeve of Round & Round?
Louis XIV, king of France or Beethoven. It seems nobody knows for sure.
Who is singing in Fine Time?
It's Bernard Sumner, nobody else!
Who is the female on the cover of Get Ready/Crystal?
The female on the Get Ready artwork is german actress Nicolette "Coco" Krebitz.
Who is the girl in the Nineteen63 video?
"The girl in the 1963 video is Jane Horrocks, well respected English actress. She's been in many films, but I guess she'd probably be known in America for playing Bubble in Absolutely Fabulous. "
- Clive "Old Blue" Williams
Why does all New Order's releases end with 3?
According to Tony Wilson it was something that just happened. "Transmission", the first Joy Division single, was FAC 13. The second one was "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and it was FAC 23. They went something like "this is cool, all Joy Division/New Order singles could be ended by a number 3". So "Ceremony" was FAC 33, "Processsion" was FAC 53 (not FAC 43, nothing is so perfect), "Temptation" was FAC 63, and so on.
All Joy Division/New Order albums have also "important" numbers like FACT 10 (Unknown Pleasures), FACT 25 (Closer), FACT 50 (Movement), FACT 75 (Power, Corruption & Lies), FACT 100 (Low Life), FACT 150 (Brotherhood), FACT 200 (New Order Substance), FACT 250 (Joy Division Substance), FACT 275 (Technique) and FACT 300 (reserved for Republic but it wasn't released by Factory).
All Durutti Column albums and singles end with a number 4 and the number 1 was reserved mostly for big ideas, like The Haçienda (FAC 51), the G-Mex Festival of the 10th Summer of punk (FAC 151) and Dry bar (FAC 201). Maybe the Haçienda cat (FAC 191) was a big idea too.
- Ricardo Fernandes
Why does New Order appear so often in Jonathan Demme's motion pictures?
Jonathan Demme directed the video for The Perfect Kiss. This was before he was famous for directing movies like Silence of the Lambs and Philadelphia.
Why is a song named Touched by the Hand of God?
The song was titled this way after Diego Armando Maradona's goal against England in 1986 FIFA World Cup. Diego Maradona is nicknamed the Hand of God.
Why is Bernard Sumner's nickname Barney?
That's because when he was a kid everyone saw him as a Barney Rubble from the Flintstones lookalike.
Why is Kim Wilde credited on "The Other Two And You"?
Because she did all the lead vocals for the album, the band did however re-recorded all tracks with Gillian Gilbert on vocals.
Why is the Factory box set called Palatine?
Because Factory Records were located on Palatine Road.
[unclosed-anchor]Movement]Why is the first New Order album titled "Movement"?
It's the contrary of the last Joy Division album "Still".
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